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everyone, including nra members, there was a recent poll by frank luntz which said 74% of nra members believe everyone should have a background check. >> why is that not the case, governor? why does that not exist? >> because the nra has created an illusion that they are going to beat you if they are against you, and i sit here as an ex-governor of the second largest nra membership state in the union, pennsylvania. three times i ran for statewide office. i won by 10 points, 12 points and 21 points, and the nra opposed me each and every time. they are a paper tiger, and it's time for men and women in congress to have the guts to stand up for our kids and for our people. >> so you think michael bloomberg, mayor bloomberg was right this morning, when he said that the organization's power has been overstated dramatically. >> well, i wouldn't be here. this is the second largest nra state in the union, pennsylvania, and i won statewide three times by virtual landslides. the nra was dead set against me because of the work i had done as mayor on gun control, and i won three times overwhelming
everyone, including nra members, there was a recent poll by frank luntz which said 74% of nra members believe everyone should have a background check. >> why is that not the case, governor? why does that not exist? >> because the nra has created an illusion that they are going to beat you if they are against you, and i sit here as an ex-governor of the second largest nra membership state in the union, pennsylvania. three times i ran for statewide office. i won by 10 points, 12...
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and i would debate this with the nra until the cows came home. and on the other side of the fence, the extreme left liberal people that think they're going to wave a magic wand and make 300 million weapons you're aware of go away. >> you're going to create a black market. >> new york has the most restrictive gun laws in the united states. we have very good gun laws. we now have the biggest black market for them also. they filter in from georgia, virginia, arizona. you know, we know where they're coming from. i go back and say what i've said before, uh yo eve got to have resources to go in and arrest that problem and we don't have it. >> and the president says we need to have meaningful changes in this country when it comes to gun laws and a meaningful conversation. and that means not politicizing it in washington. >> we need compromise. >> thank you. >> my pleasure as always. >> most of us can't even imagine what the people here in newtown are going through right now. but tin we spoke to some people didn't have to imagine it. years ago. columbine
and i would debate this with the nra until the cows came home. and on the other side of the fence, the extreme left liberal people that think they're going to wave a magic wand and make 300 million weapons you're aware of go away. >> you're going to create a black market. >> new york has the most restrictive gun laws in the united states. we have very good gun laws. we now have the biggest black market for them also. they filter in from georgia, virginia, arizona. you know, we know...
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until the facts are thoroughly known the nra will not have any comment. fighting tears, perhaps president obama did start the conversation this afternoon. >> as a country we have been through this too many times. whether its an elementary school in newtown, or a shopping mall in oregon. or a temple in wisconsin. or a movie theater in aurora or a street corner in chicago, these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods and these children are our children. and we're going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics. >> reporter: harry smith is with us now, when i ran into you a little while ago, the first thing we said to each other, was man, we've seen this before. we tried out that list and we go through jonesboro, and i noticed even tonight, in these trauma centers we can stand there and watch gunshot victims come in. >> you have spent all that time in chicago, you know what it was like this past summer. there was a weekend when 30 people were shot. ten people killed. not just one weekend,
until the facts are thoroughly known the nra will not have any comment. fighting tears, perhaps president obama did start the conversation this afternoon. >> as a country we have been through this too many times. whether its an elementary school in newtown, or a shopping mall in oregon. or a temple in wisconsin. or a movie theater in aurora or a street corner in chicago, these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods and these children are our children. and we're going to have to come together...
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until the facts are thoroughly known the nra will not have any comment. fighting tears, perhaps president obama did start the conversation this afternoon. >> as a country we have been through this too many times. whether its an elementary school in newtown, or a shopping mall in oregon. or a temple in wisconsin. or a movie theater in aurora or a street corner in chicago, these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods and these children are our children. and we're going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics. >> reporter: harry smith is with us now, when i ran into you a little while ago, the first thing we said to each other, was man, we've seen this before. we trot out that list and we go through jonesboro, and i noticed even tonight, in these trauma centers we can stand there and watch gunshot victims come in. >> you have spent all that time in chicago, you know what it was like this past summer. there was a weekend when 30 people were shot. ten people killed. not just one weekend,
until the facts are thoroughly known the nra will not have any comment. fighting tears, perhaps president obama did start the conversation this afternoon. >> as a country we have been through this too many times. whether its an elementary school in newtown, or a shopping mall in oregon. or a temple in wisconsin. or a movie theater in aurora or a street corner in chicago, these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods and these children are our children. and we're going to have to come together...
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he was elected three times to his position after the opposing the nra. and mayor michael bloomberg says they are not as hard core as they think they are and they can be wasn't. where do you fall on those strategy there is? >> listen, i bristle when i think of any member of congress, house or senate, being beholden to any special interest group. i have distanced myselves from americans with tax reform organization because of some key facts that i thought led me in that direction and i cast a vote against the nra earlier this year. i like to think members respect beholden to a special interest group. >> where do you think the values of nra members fly is all sorts of statistics that say that the majority of nra members believe that there should be deep background checks that they are not necessarily for assault weapons. why is it that the majority of the members of the nra compromise those ideologies that there is anything but incredible background check he s and delay purchasing assault rifles or even the ability to get an assault rifle. why do we have th
he was elected three times to his position after the opposing the nra. and mayor michael bloomberg says they are not as hard core as they think they are and they can be wasn't. where do you fall on those strategy there is? >> listen, i bristle when i think of any member of congress, house or senate, being beholden to any special interest group. i have distanced myselves from americans with tax reform organization because of some key facts that i thought led me in that direction and i cast...
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it has nothing to do with second amendment rights. 74% of nra members are in support of criminal background checks. there's an example of fertile ground. the other argument people like to use, if you pass tougher gun laws, only criminals will be able to get guns. this is an example of a law that would only keep guns out of the hands of criminals. this is the kind of conversation that the american public wants to have, where we already agree. we need to hold elected officials accountable to make sure they're representing our interests, our safety, doing everything they can to prevent trage tragedies like this from hearing. >> we are already hearing arguments on the other side, here we are in a state with some of the toughest gun laws in the country. all of these weapons were legally obtained. they belonged to his mother. they were all registered the way they should have been. and that additional gun laws and changes on the federal level would not have made a difference. what would you say to people who made that argument today? >> it's just flawed logic to say that the places with the toughe
it has nothing to do with second amendment rights. 74% of nra members are in support of criminal background checks. there's an example of fertile ground. the other argument people like to use, if you pass tougher gun laws, only criminals will be able to get guns. this is an example of a law that would only keep guns out of the hands of criminals. this is the kind of conversation that the american public wants to have, where we already agree. we need to hold elected officials accountable to make...